I think to say there is no reason to breed so long as there are any dogs in shelters is short-sighted. If all breeding is stopped until there are no more dogs in shelters (assuming that is attainable), there would be no more dogs  because the ones that hadn't been spayed or neutered would be too old by then.

I do agree that most dogs should be spayed or neutered - the only exceptions being those owned by quality breeders as they will produce healthy, genetically sound dogs. It is not fair to compare breeders to nazis as nazis were motivated by hatred. The breeders I know are passionate about what they do and dedicated to producing the healthiest dogs possible. They love dogs, not just their own breeds but all dogs, including mixed breeds.

If I knew what I was doing you'd better believe I would want to improve a breed...But I am super ignorant..So again, I leave it up to the pro's.

 I enjoy watching dog shows on TV. And those dogs seem to LOVE it!

 People shouldnt judge what they DONT KNOW..

Kitsu is a rescue and Suki is an AKC registered purebred from a very reputable breeder here in MA.  I volunteer at the MSPCA.  After much thought on the subject, I think it is honorable to rescue a homeless dog and it is also wonderful to be enthusiastic about a particular breed.  We happen to love Shiba Inus, a breed we basically stumbled upon when we found Kitsu.  Years ago I never knew that buying a dog from a pet store would be a bad thing.  I remember dragging my Dad into pet stores asking is we could get a dog.  Since then I have learned that the majority of pet stores get their dogs from puppy mills, and that is wrong.  Getting a dog from a reputable breeder is excellent as they will stand behind any of their dogs.  I just spoke with Sandy, the breeder we went to, yesterday as she sent me some information in the mail, and I wanted to let her know I received it.  She has the link to our MDS page as she loves to see updates on Suki's progress, how she is doing, etc. 

I am in agreement with the voluntary Spay and Neuter program here in Massachusetts, and I have ordered state license plates that support programs to help fund spaying and neutering dogs and cats.   I believe "responsibility" is the key word when it comes to raising any dog.

 Here here Suki and Kitsu!!

    " People who have dogs just to showcase them at dog shows are no different than the moms who put their little girls in pageants. They don’t do it for the love of their dogs/kids; they do it for themselves. They think it makes them better than others because they HAVE something “better”. They want that trophy to display. "

Pagaents are NOT to prove breeding worth or quality.  They are simply for the asthetics.  If you want show dogs for beauty purposes, fine, show your mutts.   Dog shows were invented simply so the best of the best would pass on their genes to preserve the breed.  If you are not selective you can't keep type.  Showing dogs in front of someone who has experience in the breed is going to tell you alot more about your dog than the fact that you love your pet and want more of them.  Love is not enough (that's on my profile too) and you have to make responsible choices when picking dogs to make more of.  They (responsible breeders) ABSOLUTELY do it for the love of the breed.  I also don't think that proving your dog means that it has to be in a conformation dog show.  It might mean earth dog trials to prove your terrier has tenacity.  It may mean agility trials to prove that your dog is fast and obedient.  It may mean a field trial to prove that your hunting dog can hunt.  It could mean obedience or shutzhund trials to prove your shephard's obedient and protective nature.  

Letting Mutts reproduce is irresponsible, not because they are mutts, but because there are too many dogs period, specifically mutts.   NOT breeding mutts on purpose is NOT going to eliminate them from existence as there will always be irresponsible humans letting their dogs mate with whatever happens to roam into the yard for no other reason than that.  You say ALL breeding should be banned, are your dogs altered?  I was under the impression that your dogs are related to each other?  

By the way Dogshouter, you copied from MY profile, not Nadia's.  I stand firm in my beliefs, just like you do.  I think if you are breeding your mutts in your own backyard and are keeping them ALL as your own pets that is wonderful.  For you.  Breeding a dog at 10 1/2 months old is sad, it is like letting a 12 year old girl get pregnant and have a baby.  If you give even one of your dog's pups away to someone else and they breed it and then give the pups away to more people who are going to breed them and then get rid of them anyway they can, that is deplorable.  It wouldn't matter if the puppies were the best purebreds or more mutts.  This situation spirals out of control very quickly.  One bitch can reproduce every six months only to make more pups that won't have a chance at a home. 

The sad truth is that most people, NOT all people who get a dog, want a purebred.  I am not saying this to offend you and your mutts.  It is the sad truth.  I have rescued plenty of mutts along with purebreds and to be honest, it is always easier to place a purebred.  I am NOT saying in any way that the purebreds that I have rescued were somehow better than the mutts, it is just that most people are not interested in a mix of the breed they want.  By the way, isn't Pinky a Pointer?  That means that you have a purebred dog?  OMG !!!

I know that you have made nazi slams at me in the past with my "all knowing" attitude and I am sorry that you see it that way.  I do my best to rescue as many as I can and educate the ignorant.  I am sorry that while you have chosen mutts, I have chosen danes (and dane mixes) oh and don't forget the rottie, we will have to agree to disagree.  Again, I have nothing against mutts, I just think that to make more on purpose is without a purpose unless you are keeping the entire litter as pets.

It is NOT fair to compare responsible caring breeders to nazis.  I can't even try to see your point here.  Nazis KILLED PEOPLE that didn't make the grade.  Nazi's picked their "breeding traits" based on ridiculous ideals.  Responsible breeders are what keeps breeds looking and acting like they are supposed to and the only way to make that happen is to breed the dogs that exhibit the traits you are trying to keep. 

 Take care Dogshouter, I am sorry I get your feathers so ruffled...

Okay. I usually try to stay quiet here at the forum, but...

I used to live in California, a very forward thinking state. I never saw a puppy store there. EVER. Maybe they exist, but if so they are not prevelent. Then I moved to Florida and was sickened that there are actual Puppy Stores. Not even just pet stores, PUPPY stores. I am sick to think of the female dogs stuck in crates their whole live so they can mass produce litter after litter to be sold in these stores. And all the sick puppies that are produced that don't even make it to the stores. I just don't understand why Florida would even allow this. Care to respond Governor Flip-Flop Crist?!

I can see Carla's point, if we never breed dogs we would eventually run out of dogs! So, I'm for the new California law where you have to have a permit to breed your dog. At least maybe there'll be a bit more control and less backyard breeders. I am TOTALLY against backyard breeders/puppy mills. Uck. I can't even think about it I get so sad.

Cinnamon is a pure bred beagle. She was bought by a family who eventually gave her up to me because they knew they were not giving this dog a good life. So even the pure bred dogs are being given up.

Sorry for being ramble-y, but I feel so sad for our Florida puppy store mama dogs. And puppy dogs who never get sold. I have heard bad stuff about many sick puppies that don't even make it because of poor breeding. Think about it. An unscrupulous person breeds some dogs with litters of 8 (for example) to be sold for $1000 each. It's all about greed.

Now, people with ethics who want to breed dogs occassionally with good lineage? Okay, I understand.

Off my soapbox now,

Cinnamon's mom

I'm not familiar with the Ca law to get permitted to breed your dog, but like other laws I am sure only honest people will abide by it and the BYB, people who want their kids to see 'the miracle of birth', and those who just let their dogs run and get pregnant will all still be there. Bottom line is that the bad and ignorant will still win and we will have a gazillion homeless dogs regardless of what band-aid a government imposes.

You are right in that FL does have many puppy stores. It's disgusting and many of the stores purchase from puppy mills located primarily in Missouri and are then trucked down. I tried to get a deaf pup once and they actually snuck the pup out before 6 AM and sent it to another store down south. The staff was unwilling to admit the pup was deaf and I was afraid someone would buy it without any knowledge of that and possibly abuse it for not listening.

There is a breeder here in Jax that has actually been banned from AKC for life. AKC has a investigator just for her because of her practices and what she has done to get around it is to 'offer' people a free male and 2 females and then covertly sells the pups after registering them in the people's name rather than her own. The pups are sold at various stores and flea markets to unsuspecting folks who haven't a clue about proper breeding, puppy mills, or any knowledge of the breeds they are purchasing.

I do believe there are reputable breeders out there, but they are far and few between. Just because someone shows their dog(s) doesn't mean they are reputable in any way, shape, or form. It CAN mean that, but as 7 dogs stated they are for astectics. Shows are a game played for the owner to feel good. I have been to dog shows, and I am sorry, but I do NOT believe the dogs are having fun. I believe they are happy to be out of their crates, off the grooming tables, and with a human. They are kept crated for endless hours, groomed until every single hair is in place and then have to wait in line for their turn....does that sound like fun to you?

I know people think that dog shows are simply for asthetics.  They are SUPPOSED to be to check how the dog is put together.  Structurally.  Skeletally.  If the dog isn't put together correctly, they won't move right, that is why they "prance them around the ring"  it isn't to make them look silly, it is to see that they are put together right, that they move correctly.  The judge touches the dog all over to make sure that their bone is good and in the right places.  If the dog's teeth are missing or malaligned, they know it and that dog doesn't go on.  They check for mongoloid eyes, weak stifles, weak pasterns, cow hocks, malaligned/crooked legs, pigeon toes - all sorts of structural defects. Things that can impede movement or cause lameness. Defects that you wouldn't want to knowingly pass on to future generations. They also check the dog's temperment and expression. Problems occur when people don't agree with the judge and they think they know better so they breed a dog anyway, and then tell people, "yeah we show our dogs".  You have to ask the breeder who shows if they ever win.  Any dog that is registered with full registration can be entered in a show, but will it do well? 

To the lay person, showing looks like a beauty pageant.  The dog shows you see on TV are the "finals", they do NOT show every dog being judged.  They do NOT show the dogs that were excused because they didn't meet the standard.  Dogs that don't get "put up" are the ones that should be eliminated from breeding programs.  This all goes back to the written standard for your breed and then making sure that your breeding dogs meet that standard, hence the dog show judge.  He (or she) can be invaluable to helping you pick your best breeding dogs, the ones that would make better examples of your breed.  Shows are NOT a game. Nor is it simply to make the human feel good.  It is a way to HELP breeds stay true.

Dog shows serve an important purpose, however it is NOT an end all be all.  I do NOT think that conformation dog shows are the ONLY way to show that your dog has a reason to pass on his genes, it does give you an idea if your dog meets the written standard.  I think that there is way more to breeding than to have a pet you want to make more of.  You should have a reason to want to let your dog contribute to the huge population of dogs already here.

Aussie6pack hit the nail on the head with the idea that all people who show are NOT reputable.  The good breeders ARE few and far between.  I have seen plenty of "show" people try to pass their dogs off as show quality simply because they think that term makes the puppies more attractive.  They wouldn't know a show prospect from a pet pup, they just know that to some people "show quality" means something similar to "has papers" to others.  It is simply a term to try and charge more money for the pup. 

Showing and actually winning however, DOES mean something.  If a dog is winning in the show ring, chances are that dog meets the standard for the breed.  Chances are that is a good place to *start*.  Like I said, it isn't an all encompassing factor.  That same dog still has to pass all of his health checks, he still HAS TO display a stable temperment.  It just shows that the owner has put some time and effort into showing to make sure that the dogs being bred meet the standard.  It shows commitment on the part of the human, but so does going and competing in other dog performance events. 

One more thing, I can't speak for all dogs at dog shows, but I can for the one's that I take.  Our dogs LOVE going to shows.  They are motivated by going in the ring and "working it" for the bait.  It IS a game to them : )  The aren't left waiting for hours to go in and when they are done showing we go to dog friendly stores and bakeries in whatever town we happen to be in.  We went to Chicago once and two of my girls got to spend a couple of hours at a really cool doggie daycare so we could go to a museum.  It is a vacation weekend for the whole family.  It is never dreaded - except for the gas prices.  There are exceptions to every rule and I have seen and personally had to deal with horse's asses at dog shows, everything from leaving a dog in a hot car (at dog shows they will break your window to get your dog out) to aggressive dogs ring side.  Dirty people dragging dirty dogs around the ring. There are people everywhere that can ruin things for others.  Point is, don't judge all dog show people by a couple of bad examples.  Truthfully, there are AOLT of good people out there spending money on showing dogs that they love who just want to do right by their breed.  They are the ones who keep the breeds we love alive, while the newspaper is full of ads for breeders ruining everything they get their hands on.  Give credit where credit is due.

Just like there are good and bad in every area of the world there are good and bad show people. For some people it's a great thing to do WITH your pet. Then there are people who are totally hands off. They hire people to care for and show the dog...... I don't get that, why bother???

You are right 7 dogs...there are good people in the ring and as Bella's mom said 'good and bad in every area of the world'. God knows I have run into some rescue folks that only rescue for the money and the attention they receive. One of my personal experiences with a local breeder/shower/handler is one I strongly disagree with. She has champions, drop dead gorgeous dogs with good temperaments overall, so why then does she insist on breeding merle to merle only to kill one in four that are unlucky enough to be excessively white? Maybe I am just simplistic, but why can't she just breed to a solid color littermate with the same genepool and not chance having pups she will only kill? I mean, it's one thing for an ignorant person to do that, but for an educated person to do that is just crazy. But then, I am all about saving dogs and know very little about breeding and I would never profess to know.

I went to a meeting today to consult on a dog event. One (opinionated) person (who has a champion & shows) proclaims, "Well, all pet people are idiots!"

I smiled, and said, "Well, your fee for my help JUST TRIPLED. I AM A PET PERSON, heavily involved in rescue! Everyone does THEIR part, for the LOVE OF DOGS!!!!"

Expensive opinion!

I have to say that the good/caring/responsible people who buy their pets from reputable breeders (if they choose to purchase a purebred pup instead of rescuing) are a precious commodity.  I feel that if you can find caring and responsible pet homes you are very lucky.  I placed a litter of purebred danes in new homes through the rescue we work with and it was terribly difficult.  I had one guy call me up because he wanted a dane pup to live in the pasture with his horses.  I had to explain to him that while I wished him luck finding a puppy, he would not be getting one of mine.  That my pups were going to live in warm safe houses. 

I know for a fact that the breeder we got our Eine from would rather see all of her pups placed in secure loving pet homes than winning all the ribbons and CH certificates in the world.  She would rather GIVE them to people who are going to treat them as family members and LOVE them than to make thousands selling pups. She only breeds because she loves this breed so much, she has been doing it for over 30 years.  That's LOVE. 

I've been trying so-o-o hard not to get into this forum, but I've finally given in (hehehe). As some of you may already know I tend to be very opininated when it comes to doggies. Talking about show dogs, rescues, BYB, etc. is getting too hard for me to resist. Yes, I agree on birth control for dogs, yes, on show dogs usually done for the human ego, yes that puppy mills are equated (in my mind) with dog fighting rings, etc., etc. One aspect of showing dogs that gets me really riled up is the deliberate maming of body parts, like docking doberman's & great dane's ears, removing dew claws (which aid in protecting the legs from injury during running turns), to name just a few. What about the use of cosmetics on dogs, such as fur dye (chalks), nail polish? All for show?

I personally sat in on a dog behaviorist evaluating a dog from a rescue group, that had been a twice a year mom in a puppy mill for 4 years. The dog had only known hay, barn stall/crate her entire life. She was cast aside by the owner because she was no longer fertile. Never had any interaction with other dogs (other than her pups) or humans. She was scared of everything! Could not settle, paced. The bahaviorist (who loves dogs and has 4 of her own..all rescued) told the two ladies from the rescue that this girl would never be a good pet without alot of loving hard work and that unless they can give it to her, then they should not adopt her out to anyone! She will be miserable and any family that adopted her would be too. That was my first hand experience seeing a bitch from a puppy mill. Okay... now I've ranted enough. I just paralyzed my typing fingers (lol)!

I do pay attention Angela, and your condescending tone isn't flattering.  I saw on DogShouters profile that a husky he was dog sitting for impregnated Poppy - that doesn't sound like rescuing.  Bolo was it?  So then Poppy gives birth to two puppies who then 10 months later (at least one of them) gives birth again.  Think of how many shelter dogs could have had a home with you guys if you weren't busy filling up your house with your own dog's pups?

Not passing judgment here, just pointing out that the kettle really shouldn't call the pot black.  You really aren't that different from a "breeder" when your dogs are breeding in your own backyard.  Just because you aren't selling those pups, that makes you no better, you just fill up space in your house that could have saved a life already here. 

Lnkaye-

Dyes and chalks are not permitted at dog shows.  If a judge touches your dog and there is dye or chalk on their hand you are excused. Nail polish wouldn't even be allowed in the ring.  I would really like to know where you saw nail polish in a dog show ring. Cropping and docking were never done originally for asthetic purposes.  Those procedures served a utilitarian purpose (as not to get ripped off by prey they were hunting) and most people tend to agree to disagree on this subject because there are such heated opinions on both sides of the issue.  Dew claws serve no purpose as the dog does not have control of them to use them, in fact if one gets caught on something, it tears painfully away and has to be surgically removed anyway.  I take it that has never happened to you...

I never intended to say that nail polish on dogs was for the "show ring", but my intent was to illustrate how dogs are treated for one's ego. I see no value in nail polish on a dog. I also disagree on the dew claws. They do help a dog when he/she needs to turn sharply while running. If they were not necessary, they would have naturally disappeared thru evolution. As far as cropping/docking ears, I still stand by my comment. All hunting dogs would therefore need to have their ears cropped/docked. It is done to show off a particular breed as a fierce fighter. Why crop and dock ears of a family pet that would not need to hunt for it's master? It's all about human egos. Also, then all "hunting dogs" would need their ears cropped/docked! I cannot imagine a lab with cropped ears! What about the foxhounds, beagles, and most other dogs in the hound group which are well known for their hunting abilities? I guess the new "beagle" of the future would look docile with his/her ears cropped/docked. I cannot buy this at all. You seem to believe that dew claws are vestiges of days gone by. Why do you suppose dogs are born with them? Why do they still have anal sacs? Why do they need their canine teeth? Do you suggest that we re-engineer dogs to do away with these things because they don't have the uses that a modern domestic dog requires? There is absolutely no reason to crop/dock companion/pet dog ears. The show ring will not accept danes, pinschers and others unless this is done. That's the irony of showing dogs, IMHO.

Okay guys...I didn't begin this as a means for people to start slamming one another and it saddens me to see that here, although it's not totally surprising. Pet people are passionate about their views. Personally I have purebreds and also have mixed as well. I have rescued/fostered/placed both as well. I primarily rescue purebreds because I know the breed which allows me to place them in appropriate homes that can provide the needs of that breed.

I do NOT believe most people want purebred dogs as stated previously (I don't recall who said that). I believe there is a place for all dogs, but I do believe the more we know the breed or breeds in the case of a mix means we can be a better owner. Each breed of dog has characteristics that are common to that particular breed and the more we know about those traits will allow us to give them what they need. For instance...Labs and hounds tend to be big chewers so we know to give them lots of safe things for that outlet. Prs dig massive holes, so if that is a problem, don't get one. Aussies need lots of stimulation, both mentally and physically, so if you want a dog to just hang out with you don't want an Aussie. This is true in mixes as well as PB, but you just have a little more research to do to seek out their traits and if it fits in with what you want and more importantly, what you can provide.

There is a place for all dogs, mixed and PB, just as there is a place for each of us. Let's try to accept that others may have a different view, and it's just that---different---not wrong.

When I began this thread it was because someone on MDS had bred their dogs at a very young age and had absolutely no knowledge of the breed. I had hoped they would see this and not continue. It was an outlet for me and an invitation to gain some knowledge. It was NOT a means for anyone to put anyone else down...if it were then I would have confronted them personally and it would have only served to make them angry and not change things one iota.

The fact is there are TONS of dogs in shelters and TONS of dogs dying every day, bith mixed and purebred. I speak of this firsthand. I have been going to shelters for years and have seen the sad and empty eyes there. I have also experienced so-called breeders who do nothing more than sell their wares, but there are also breeders who do what I do....interview prospective owners, stay in touch with them, and have a willingness to be responsible for the dogs they breed their entire life---THAT to me, is a responsible breeder.

As far as this thread goes, maybe each of you should go volunteer at a local shelter or breed rescue and it might enlighten you.

Hello Doghoarder (I didn't realize name calling was fair game)

I am jewish and your calling me a nazi is VERY offensive. Which is it anyway?  Am I a gangbanger or a nazi?  Secondly I am a WOMAN -- so much for your stupid crack about my lack of manhood, the only dick around here is YOU. 

Have you even read my profile?  ALL of my dogs are rescued and altered except one -- our "show dog" and she has NEVER had pups.  We have NEVER sold a puppy or bred EVEN ONE LITTER.  YOU are more of a "breeder" than I am.  There are reasons why we don't breed just anything and wait for the right dogs.  I have worked with great dane rescue for the last 8 years and only started showing a couple of years ago. The pups we had at our house were there through the rescue group, we FOSTERED them. I know first hand about the overpopulation problem and don't want to add just anything to the canine population.

When you look at the dogs on our profile is Eine seated higher than the rest?  Does she have some sort of jeweled collar or crown on her head?  Is she ALWAYS front and center in the group shots?  Is there some reason to think that she is somehow valued more than the other dogs?  I don't understand how you can say that I only love dogs that can win something or make me puppies.  MOST of my dogs are couch potatoes and don't do anything other than sit around and enjoy our family, and we have NEVER HAD PUPPIES.  Read Charlotte's profile.  She came from a hoarder.  We fostered her through the great deane rescue that we volunteer for and because she is a hard to place dog due to her history at the hoarder's house, she stays here. FOREVER. She is in all of our family pictures, goes on our family vacations and is treated with no less love or attention than Eine or any of the other dogs.  She didn't have a home so we gave her one. 

"I mean, does anyone ever buy a dog from someone they don't want to see as reputable or responsible?"

Duh?  Everyday.  People do it to "save" that puppy from it's conditions.  Like you said, most people dont spend enough time getting to know a good breeder, so most people wouldn't know one.  People are impatient and buy puppies on impulse EVERYDAY.

"Do you think that we"love"our7dogs would really care about "bettering" Great Danes if there were no profit financially to gain by it?"

How much money do you think that people make breeding dogs?  I am not talking about a puppy farm who mass produces puppies and sells them at Petland.  I am talking about the person who maybe has one litter a year.  Do you think that showing dogs is cheap?  Do you drive a gas powered vehicle? Do you eat out or stay at a hotel?  These things all COST money, not to mention feeding your dogs something other than corn, crappy Ol Yeller dog food.  So all your crap comments about how I would sell puppies and rip people off are ridiculous.  You know nothing.  We are in the hole financially when we are showing.  You know what you win when you win?  A ribbon, a picture and some points.  NO MONEY.  The ONLY thing I care about when I am thinking about breeding a great dane is making healthier puppies.  And by the way, when the judge goes over your dog in the show ring, it IS called an exam.

You call me materialistic.  That's one of the funniest parts of your whole ignorant post.  If only you knew how absolutely far from the truth you are.  My dogs are not possesions.  I love them more than anything.  If I was the selfish "elitist" you say I am Ripley would be dead because of his bad temperment. He is GENETICALLY FAULTED.  He was given to me with FULL REGISTRATION.  Do you know what that means?  It means if I was who YOU SAY I am, I would have pumped out as many "rare" harlequins that I could so I could "rip people off" and make lots of money further RUINING a line of the breed I love.  Yes, thats right RINZOU, I love great danes.  I Love all dogs, but specifically danes tug at my heart.  Like your specific dogs tug at yours. Rip was supposed to be my first show dog.  According to you I should have said, Rip isn't gonna work out in the show ring, better put him down and get a new dog.  Lilly would be dead too, because she got her CD title but cant compete anymore because her hips hurt her, better put her down and get a new dog, one that can compete.  Nigel is dog aggressive, better put him down too.  Gus wouldv'e been dead 8 years ago at the very first seizure instead of two kinds of expensive meds and holistic food for him every day of his life for OVER 8 YEARS.  According to you I would have put him down at the first thought of any kind of burden.  Charlotte, well no one else wants her, better just put her down and forget she ever existed.  My dogs are my life. I have NEVER taken a dog to a shelter.  Did you read that?  NEVER !!! We only go on vacations that they can go on  ALL OF THEM, we only make outings that they can enjoy too.  Our family revolves around the dogs.  You DONT know me. 

"I see you’re going around to profiles and criticizing members for having mixed breeds or not getting your prior approval for breeding. "

I would like very much to see these comments.  Please, enlighten me.  I am not approving people or not approving people for anything other than a pal request and I can be pals with whoever I want.  I have NEVER criticized ANYONE for having a mixed breed dog.  I had one until two months ago when we had to put him down.  I LOVED him and I still MISS HIM.  I DO NOT have anything against mutts.  Why do you think that?  You have said it plenty but where did I say that?  And where have I ever put poor people down>? 

As for your little comparison,

"  I don’t judge a person by his material wealth; I judge them by their character and what’s in their heart. Let me compare my love for dogs to we”love”our7dogs:"

1. I love all my dogs unconditionally, I don't treat them any differnt. They are all equals.

2.I don't even know what to say to that.  You make a reference to my profile containing "proof" that I am only interested in money making or show winning potential.  PLEASE< show me. 

3.I have picked up every stray dog, cat, bird, turtle or rabbit I have ever been able to catch since I was a small girl.  I have had many types of animals my whole life and grew up poor, not in some snobby dog show house.  I continue to pick up strays no matter where I am going or whats on the schedule.  I have picked up strays on my way to work, and I have NEVER taken them to our shelter.  See what you know?  NOTHING.

4.All of my dogs needed homes too.  Even our show dog, we are her third and final home.

"What specifically do you see in my mixed breed dogs that make them unworthy to exist and inferior to yours? "

Again, putting words in my mouth.  Show me where I said anything remotely close to mixed breeds not being worthy of existing or inferior in anyway?  I have never said anything BAD about mutts.

"Ahh, I see you just accused us of interbreeding our dogs on Angela’s page.  None of them were bred, all were rescued – except for the three brothers and one sister pictured there. "

Wait a minute- re-read that bark.  I did NOT accuse anything, unlike you.  I read your profile, about poppy being impregnated by Bolo. So- POPPY WAS BRED. Then 10 months later, on of her pup has pups, bred again.  Isn't that what you wrote?  How is that a rescue?  That is breeding.

"Why are mixed breeds inferior? Why do you “ha ha ha” laugh at “designer” breeds?

I NEVER said this.  I said "ha ha ha" to the TERM designer breeds.  Not the poor dogs themselves.  It isn't the dog's fault that some idiot tried to make a buck.  The term is ridiculous just like teacup chihuahua - a term to sell more puppies.

"Ma’am, didn’t most all breeds begin as designer breeds?"

No, Sir, they DID NOT.  Specific known breeds began through SELECTIVE BREEDING and that is OBVIOUSLY something that you know nothing about.

"I’d still like to know what YOU would do if by accident one of your trophy dogs mated with another breed."

Didn't you take sex-ed in High school?  There is no excuse for "accidents" that is part of being what is called a RESPONSIBLE dog owner.  Not just someone who has dogs.

Just for the record, I don't make up breed standards.  Through your whole post you refer to me as making the standard and approving people.  I do not make the standards but just as you don't want to see mutts disappear, I don't wan't Great Danes to disappear either. That's why there are standards for purebreds. 

"I make no apologies for saving my babies. Especially to you."

And why would you?  I don't understand why you would say that.  I dont expect that you would appologize for rescuing or loving your dogs.  I am not the monster YOU make me out to be.

"The motto is “a place for DOGS”, not proven show dogs. It’s approved by dog LOVERS, not approved by YOU. "

This is really out there.  I don't understand where this level of hostility comes from.  You got daddy issues?  I have a dog that has been in four dog shows. 4 ! You act like you know me - you don't. 

I am not going to waste anymore of my time or energy responding to your ridiculous comments.  People can judge for themselves if they look at the profiles.  I don't think it takes a rocket scientist.  If I have offended any owners of mixed breed dogs out there by saying that your dogs are inferior or should be put down, please bark at me, I need to apologize because I must not have been in my right mind.  I DO NOT FEEL THAT WAY.

Don't waste your time RInzou, I am NOT coming back to this forum, it is a waste of MY time.

7dogs

 Good you tube video Rinzou! That DID make alot of sense to me..

My dogs are (HAHAHAHA )designer dogs (Buggs) Boston terrier/Pug cross... mutts..But they are the coolest funniest pets EVER! I wouldnt change them for the purest best pedigreed dog ever!

The video link posted in this forum topic is offensive beyond words. The KKK is well known for its promotion of hatred and acts of violence. Does anyone really think that the AKC stands for those same things?

It is far worse to invoke Nazism when discussing the issue of breeding dogs. It is an insult to the 6,000,000 Jews plus the multitude of Catholics, gays, gypsies, and blacks who were taken from their homes and systematically exterminated by the Nazis.

Is it not possible to have a difference of opinion without insulting people whose family members were the victims of the Nazis or the KKK, or who would themselves have been the victims of the Natzis or the KKK if they had been in harms way?

The video, titled "Wrong Meeting" was created by an individual who goes by the name PinkCarrot4, according to utube where it is posted. It gives the appearance of being the product of PETA (probably to lend authenticity to the views expressed). If you go to the PETA website, you will find a list of all their videos. "Wrong Meeting" does not appear on the list. If you want to check it out for yourself, go to http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/archive.asp.

To me it doesn't matter who created it or whether it is a product of PETA or not. It is offensive in the extreme and does not belong on this site. To those of you who have expressed your agreement with, or approval of, the video, I request that you look at it again and ask yourself how you would feel if you were one of the minorities targeted by the Nazis or the KKK .

I also believe that comments made by members who invoke the Nazis when expressing their views about breeding could and should refrain from doing do. It is possible to disagree respectfully and without the use of inflamatory comments such as these. People who belong to MDS should be able to enjoy it without being exposed to these tactics. Personally, comparing any dog owners (regardless of their views) to Nazis make me feel ill, not the way I want to feel when I visit this site.

One wonderful thing about dogs is that they don't judge people. Can we, as dog lovers, not do the same?