I really want to see what people think about this...
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Thu 30 Aug 2007 12:23AM PDT
APBTMommy1206
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Okay, this is from a thread on a forum that I spend some time on. The original post was about a man that had two of his goats killed by a "pit bull". The "pit bull" didn't attack or even act like it was going to attack a person and there were many around, but because the dog killed two goats this is what people were saying...
"I don't care about being popular, so I'll say it:
I would love to see all pit bulls killed and the species extinct."
"I agree. And, why would anyone have a pit bull and a couple of rottweilers in a house with a baby? Are they nuts? At least the wife finally had the sense to get rid of the pit bull. Hopefully we won't hear some horrible story about rottweilers attacking a child! What's wrong with people?"
"Well I don't care about being popular either. I am a huge dog lover and animal lover for that matter but I have never heard a good story regarding pit bulls.... I'm sorry for your father's loss and I am also sorry that you have to read responses from the people who defend pit bulls. They are also the ones that end up bitten or worst whose families end up hurt."
"Smoke....fire... does not take a genius to see there is a problem with the breed."
By the way, this "pit bull" is owned by a couple that has a young child and two Rotties. This dog is obviously not human aggressive, it didn't attack any of the people that were around it right after the goats were killed, it hasn't attacked anyone! But, because the dog killed two goats, it's a man eating monster? How do you get man eating out of goat killing? I just don't understand some people! I have to quit going to sites like that one, I'm going to have a heart attack! I can't stand this crap!
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Thu 30 Aug 2007 08:10AM PDT
TinaValant
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APBT ~ it is prob better to avoid those sites ;-) Some people post just to get others riled up, so don't believe everything you read. Nervous about any breed? Check out www.atts.org APBTs scored 84.1%, better than golden retrievers.
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Thu 30 Aug 2007 09:32AM PDT
neefer
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I have never met a pit bull that wasn't a sweetheart. I have known rotties that were a little standoffish, but that's the worst that I can say about them. Rotties are great dogs.
I echo Tina's comment.
Oh, and the problem isn't the breed or the species, it's the owners. Any owner that is not containing or supervising and controlling his or her animal at all times is the problem.
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Sat 01 Sep 2007 08:36PM PDT
MarshallNBrucey
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My brother has a pitbull. It is one of the sweetest dogs that I have ever met!!!
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Sat 01 Sep 2007 09:19PM PDT
APBTMommy1206
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It's just unbelievable to me how close-minded and ignorant people can be! I really don't think I will ever understand it! The responses I posted are from people that have been on that forum for as long as I have (about a year) and they have heard the truth and read the facts on these breeds (APBTs, AmStaffs and Staffies) many, many, many times! It's like they just need something to hate.
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Sun 02 Sep 2007 06:38AM PDT
itsallmine
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The problem is good news doesnt sell, and most humans are to damn lazy to form their own opinions, they hear about a couple of goats being killed and they want to exterminate the breed. Is this the whole story? I doubt it. If I had to throw out a guess, the dogs were left out unattended, untrained, and maybe uncared for, maybe they got loose, is this the dogs fault? Hell maybe even the goats charged the dogs, I've been butted by a goat before, it's not fun. Ten minutes of research would show these people who dont care about being popular a whole different story about these great dogs.
The "problem" (for lack of better) with pitts they are strong, VERY loyal, VERY brave and sometimes if I wonder if they dont have a "sense" about them that exceeds other breeds and how many of "unprovoked" attacks are only called that because the dog didnt get his say.
When you come across these types of boards, heres something good to respond with, also take a few minutes print it out and send it to your lawmakers (if they arent resigning or in jail or drunk).
http://www.understand-a-bull.com/HeroicPitties/
It says it all,
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Sun 02 Sep 2007 11:02PM PDT
APBTMommy1206
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itsallmine... What I posted wasn't the whole story, but that is pretty much about it. The "pit bull" (I don't know if it was an APBT, an AmStaff or a Staffie. They just said "pit bull" which drives me nuts! lol!) is a "family" dog. It's owned by a husband and wife and lives in their home with their young child and other dog (Rotty). The person who posted this story said that it was her fathers goats that were killed, she said that the "pit bull" somehow got out of the house, wondered into her fathers yard and killed two of his goats. She said that her father (an older man) was standing outside by himself with nothing to protect himself from the "pit bull", the "pit bull" was standing a few feet from her father and never once even acted like it was going to attack. Her father called her and then she called two men that were working on her fathers house to go out and help him until she could get there and get animal services out there. When she finally got there the two construction workers and animal services were all there with her father and no one had any problems with the "pit bull", it was nothing but nice.
No, what happened was not the dogs fault, it was the ignorant owners fault. I just posted this to see what people said about what some of those people had to say about the "pit bull" breeds. I agree with you, if people would just do a little research they would think differently about these amazing breeds. The "pit bull" breeds are three of the most stable, people-friendly breeds in existence, they are three of the only breeds that were bred specifically to be human friendly! In temperament testing APBTs test higher than most popular family breeds such as Goldens and Beagles. These breeds are smart, sweet, tolerant, devoted, loyal, determined, goofy.. just all around wonderful family companions! The thing that makes me so mad is that the people that said that stuff about "pit bulls" are people that have heard the truth about these breeds, they have read the facts, checked out the websites, etc and they still choose to hate "pit bulls". What people don't seem to understand is that all three of the "pit bull" breeds are terriers, they are very energetic and need a lot of exercise daily. They are working breeds and they need a "job", they need to be challenged. They are very smart breeds that tend to be dominate and can be very stubborn, they need an experienced owner that is educated on the breed(s) and is willing and able to properly raise, train and socialize them and keep them under control. They are also some of the strongest dogs, pound for pound. They are all three small to medium breeds, but they are solid muscle! These breeds are truly amazing, but they are not for most people! So many people get these dogs and don't do what needs to be done! A lot of people get them just to abuse them, neglect them, torture them and fight them, but at the same time, a lot of people get them for the right reasons, but just don't understand the breed and how to properly care for them. That is the problem. If people would just do some research before getting a certain breed to make sure that's a good breed for them, we wouldn't have the problems that we do (and if we didn't have all of the heartless morons that just get these dogs to make them mean).
Anyway, like I said, I just wanted to see what people thought of those people's opinions. Again, these are people that know the truth, but still choose to hate these breeds.
Oh, and thanks for the link. That is one of the many webistes that I have gotten a lot of info from. I have read over just about every "pit bull" website out there.. lol.. and I post the links as often as I can just to get the info out there.
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Mon 03 Sep 2007 05:37AM PDT
Dember
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I've heard tons of horror stories about pitbulls. Pitbull attacked a person, attacked a baby, killed a cat, this and that. It's complete garbage.
There are tons of other dogs out there who have aggression issues, most of which I've met being far nippier than pits, and the only reason the pit gets blamed is because they're a "fighting dog" and have bad reputations.
You can't just look at one or two dogs who have had bad pasts and assume that the entire breed are corrupted killing machines, that's like looking at a race of people because you heard of one person attacking or murdering someone else, and then assuming that the entire race are like that -- it's downright prejudice.
My first neighbors here owned and bred pitbulls, and as a child, I'd go over to her house and help with the pups. I was about seven years old, and these mother pits would allow me to walk into their home, plop myself down and pick up a pup to cuddle.
I've also tried that with a friend's labrador and nearly had my hand removed -- but which would have made the news? Pitbull, whose breed has a reputation for being used in illegal dog fights and therefore must be "naturally aggressive" attacks a child over puppies -- or labrador, whose breed has a reputation as a loving family dog, nipping at some foolish child who was trying to 'take' its pup? I guess it just dosn't look as good in print.
Personally, I'd never blame someone's dog for biting. If I was close enough to get bit, then that's my own dumb fault for not watching what I was doing and not properly respecting the dog's personal space. Besides, it's not like a nip on the hand is going to end my life. It wouldn't be the first or last injury that I recieved from an animal because I wasn't paying attention or was being too careless.
Even my new neighbors own four pitbulls and not one of them are in any way aggressive. Heck, I've met individual chihuahuas and itty-bitty toy breeds I'd be more cautious around. Speaking of which, my neighbors bring three of their pit pups over every week or two to play with my husky pup, and my friend's jack russel/chihuahua pup that I babysit, and they roughhouse just like any other pups would. The only reason they don't bring their older one over is because he's dead scared of other dogs except for the three pups he's used to -- he tucks his tail and flops over on his side, cowering the whole time while my dogs sniff at him curiously. Now, how is /that/ vicious?
As for the rotties, I've owned two and I've met several around my neighborhood. A few have been slightly cautious, but backing away from someone reaching over to pet them doesn't mean that the dog is some kind of maneating monster. Rotties and dobies are some more that have bad reputations, mainly because they're huge and look all intimidating. You can't just say it's the size alone -- I don't see people cowering from saint bernards and great danes. -_-;
Still, like I said. It's all in the reputation. As for this particular pit, honestly, if you ask me, it's unwise to let any dogs roam unsupervised around livestock animals and whatnot, either one could easily get harmed. Like I said, if this had been a golden retriever or a labrador attacking a goat or something, it's unlikely that it would have been worth mentioning or raising a commotion about.
It's sites like those you were looking at that give pitbulls a bad name -- you could do that with any breed of dog, and if enough people heard and spread enough horror stories about them, it would be the exact same thing.
It's awful how pits are often thought of and treated, just because they're powerful dogs and are 'convenient' for dog fights and whatnot. Sorry for the miniature (or possibly not-so-minuature) rant, but this is one of the few topics that honestly gets under my skin -- dog-prejudice breed-haters.
Personally, I don't care what anyone says. I support pits one hundred percent, and I'm glad to see, just from this board, that I'm not the only one who does. ^^
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Mon 03 Sep 2007 06:06AM PDT
rachelk
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as a kid i was around more animals than i can count, and i know that any animal will defend its personal space. ive been kicked by horses, chased by geese, cows and a turkey with a temper. my cousin used to have a dobie who was the friendliest dog... she was just over exuberant... she used to run right at me and bowl me over but even this sweet girl would nip when she was trying to rest or enjoy the cool spot on the floor. my own dog looks like a "pit bull" but shes a mix. i never hide the fact that shes APBT and rottie. she has never once shown any agression toward people or other dogs. i get some funny looks walking down the street and had more than one family cross the street but i dont blame them, however ive also had kids ask to pet my dog, i love when that happens because i get the oppertunity to educate them on just what a "pit bull" really is and how to properly interact with a dog. emily just stands or sits there and hands out kisses. i hate having to hear/read about all the bad press the bully breeds get. i wish people would just take a few minutes to read beyond the bad press and actually educate themselves on the true nature of these dogs. as for me i cannot see myself not having an APBT or Amstaff ever again.
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Mon 03 Sep 2007 02:42PM PDT
itsallmine
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I'm reading the atts link Tina posted it seems to me that the APBT ranks higher then alot of dogs in the temperment tests, including my border collie. I wonder if there is a possible ban in our future (they better come armed). Laws are made because of whats on TV, even our lawmakers are to lazy to look at the facts, this testing they have done could be inconclusive on some breeds but when you test over 500 dogs as they did on the APBT, I would call the results fact. I find it interesting where our president's pup are rated :)
When winter comes around I'd like to copy all that info to a spreadsheet and make a chart, viewing that way would be interesting I bet.
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Mon 03 Sep 2007 03:55PM PDT
itsallmine
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Okay so I got bored waiting to go up to a cookout and I made a spreadsheet, I needed a excel refresher anyway. The results are in, the APBT in percentage is ranked 30th, that means that there are 29 doggy breeds that did worse on their temperment tests, some very common names in that list too, lets not hold it against them though.
This is the most recent info from the link Tina provided, I cut out any breeds with under 100 dogs tested to try to be fair.
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Tue 04 Sep 2007 03:09PM PDT
FreedomKat
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You have to also be careful, our lawmakers try to sneak laws in without us knowing about it. And toward the end of a session they don't have to even tell anyone what law is going to be voted on. Responsible Pet Owners.com has helped us in Texas and other areas know what is about to be passed so keep your ear to the ground for any rumbling I am sure most law makers would love to ban all dogs and some animal rights people seem to be going in that area as well by trying to force everyone to get their dogs spayed or neutered at age 6 months or be fined heavy fines for not complying. I am tired to our government telling or trying to tell us what kind of dogs we can have. if I am a responsible dog owner I should be able to have any dog I want. I should not have to pay the price because a stupid human didn't raise and train his dog to be a good citizen. Punish the Deed not the Breed. Tomorrow I have to drive to Austin because they are discussing a Dangerous Dog Ordinance and I need to make sure that just because it is a Rottie or a APBT that they don't get put in the dangerous Dog group.
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Tue 11 Sep 2007 06:33PM PDT
Coastredwoods
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Thanks for the interesting post guys. I recently read the book "Animals in Translation" by Temple Grandin in which she mentions the Pit Bull issue several times. Like many here - I've had my share of run ins with animals of all types. Probably the worst dog bite I ever had was from a healer - a sneaky guy who got me when my back was turned. I have met some Pit Bull types that were exceptional dogs - however unfortunate - my own personal experience with them has been more negative than positive, but that certainly doesn't mean I would speak out against them. So many factors including raising and selective breeding come into play and the issue is a complex one.
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