Okay so leaving all the speculation and what cannot be proven aside, what are you getting at? We are all in terrible danger of the government coming to take away our animals and maybe we should take off all of our clothes and march on the hill? Get real dude.

Let me make it simple for you, just facts here no quotes. Less dogs born= less dogs killed, barbaric or otherwise. You can promote these fanatical “alliances” all you like and call it whatever you like, “hobby breading” (still trying to figure out wtf that is) doggy love or whatever, backyard breeding is backyard breeding
I don’t agree with losing personal rights but when people don’t have enough sense someone needs to step in and people like yourself promoting the rights of those to crank out puppies as they see fit are part of the problem.

While we are speculating, a mandatory spay or neuter law would not include responsible/ professional breeders otherwise the animals would cease to exist, to assume this is the goal of your elected officials is absurd. Of course you can define the bills as you see fit. Pets are a big business, apply some common sense. The second amendment is always on the news and it’s always upheld but try going out in your street and waving your gun around, it is your right to do so! but what do you think would happen? Common sense people, don’t rely on your government OR “alliances” to do it for you.
For me, I wouldn’t be to offended at a mandatory spay law since I do it anyway, I wouldn’t mind a tax deduction as a start though.

Sorry, but spay and neuter will not help the problem? Backyard breeders are there to meet consumer demand? And because I read something you cut and paste doesn’t make it fact, I could give a crap less about what your “biz” says and quotes, I do however go by what I see EVERYDAY in shelters, backyards and in the papers in the form of “free to good home ads” AND I happen to have a pup from one of these situations. Perhaps my resume may not be as respectful as yours but I’ve been on the front lines of the pet overpopulation in the dirt, and don’t tell me from your office setting that taking up arms or whatever it is you mean by “fighting” for the rights of these backyard breeders rights is going to fix things. If you have a daughter when she becomes of age she has a God given right and a right as a US citizen to get pregnant, does that mean it is right for her to do so?

Can you post a link to a respected (lmao) media source, other then yours (no offense) where a US citizen has had their animals taken away WITHOUT due process?

The idea of, “The business of Animal Rescue, Animal Control, Animal Rights, using ‘perverted’ laws to seize YOUR DOGS, at will, thru FINES, FEES, and CONFISCATIONS, to create an ‘endless’ supply of dogs for THEM to sell” makes me realise my mistake in replying, you cannot deal with fanatics.
I have to go pick up some body paint now.

Goodluck with your “biz”

Don’t put words in my mouth, and drop the name calling. It’s very childish, and I don’t recall “spewing” out any agendas. Up until now you had my respect at least for following your cause. I never agreed that there should be a law stating a mandatory spay/neuter, I mentioned that your alarmist position is somewhat misleading and misinformed.

Despite your obvious anger against the government the enemy in this case isn’t your local ACO, the rescues, the HS or even the mislead PETA people. What fills shelters up is overbreeding pure and simple.

I promote objective and what I see as truth, not what you or any other advocates promote.

Good luck with your rally, this was pointless on my part so I’m done.
“Huffy”? I guess thats better then a extremist, so ummmm. Thanks!

I am all for being able to speak your mind, give your opinions and offering advice but it all loses credibility once name calling and vicious accusations rear their ugly heads. If those involved in this get back to a productive adult rational discussion then I, personally (cannot and will not speak for others), will have NO problems and continue with this thread as I am finding it very informative.

I see extremely good points on BOTH sides of this issue. In a perfect world none of this would ever be up for debate but unfortunately and realistically we all have to learn to work TOGETHER in these endeavors.

Also, may I politely, tactfully and diplomatically interject and say Mr. Ayers, we all know who you are and I really and truly respect your credentials but don’t feel the need to have them in each and every single post. Your avatar tells us who you are and anyone who questions can simply click on it to go to your profile and see for themselves. It simply makes each post too long and many people won’t even bother reading it all the way thru. I feel it also gives the impression of an “elitist” attitude. No offense meant, just the way it appears to me.

Thank you all for allowing me my RIGHT as a free and proud American to express myself in this posting.

As Stewie from “Family Guy” would say, “What the deuce?” Sorry needed some levity!

Anyhow, Kitsu was a “leftover” from a backyard breeder and was the pup that didn’t get picked, had no shots and was getting too “old to sell as a puppy”. If you read my profile, you will get the picture on how we adopted Kitsu. I started out wanting to get a dog from a breeder, and now I find myself working part-time at the MSPCA here in Boston on a volunteer basis. If you knew me, you would know I do not subscribe to PETA’s philosophy, I have an old blog on them as well as Greenpeace, yet I cannot ignore all of the animals being put to sleep. If anything I tend to be more of a conservative on issues like this. However, the number of pets does not equal the number of homes, so the math pretty much says it. I assure you the people I see at the MSPCA aren’t in cahoots to kill dogs. The overpopulation of pit bulls (that pretty much have their fate sealed half the time they enter the door) speaks volumes.

I do agree with Lee about all of us realistically working together in these endeavors. Also, we are all here with a common cause … for the love of DOG ;)

A kind suggestion ~ if you have not done so, already, please read Nathan Winograd’s “Redemption, the myth of pet overpopulation and the no kill revolution”. Its a REAL eye-opener. I take that back ~ more like toothpick in the eye-opener.

“Also, may I politely, tactfully and diplomatically interject and say Mr. Ayers, we all know who you are and I really and truly respect your credentials but don’t feel the need to have them in each and every single post. Your avatar tells us who you are and anyone who questions can simply click on it to go to your profile and see for themselves. It simply makes each post too long and many people won’t even bother reading it all the way thru. I feel it also gives the impression of an “elitist” attitude. No offense meant, just the way it appears to me.”


I couldn’t agree with crazydoglady more. Although I don’t know what an “elitist” is. I don’t like long barks that are hard to read.

If I remember right Winograd promotes no kill? This is a great idea and this guy does have a brain, he used to have a radio show. While no-kill is a step in the right direction theres a big difference between surviving and actually living, I’ve no doubt you’ve been to some overcrowded no kill shelters and the animals, while alive, the animals aren’t really doing a whole lot of living.

The problem still lies in there being to many animals for responsible families to love and care for them, most of us here treat our pets as family but there are many, many owners that do not know of the consequences, don’t care about them, or are just plain defiant to the issues of overbreeding.

I have no beef with responsible breeders, this you know but when you read of trailers with over 300 dogs living in them, starved dogs rotting in pens (I have pictures), bitches with their uterus falling out dying in agony not being treated because financially they are useless now doesn’t come from those responsible breeders, these problems come from those people that are abusive to their “rights”.

While most here know my views, I’ll make it plain for those who don’t know me. I think every dog should have a place in a family and you treat the dog as a family member, it’s that simple. It is “alarmist” to think that one day SWAT teams will storm my humble dwelling to seize my family members but if they do I’ll be dead before they take them but there will be a couple of them hurting also.

Sorry for the pointless comment there, the point is and I’ll get a pic of it tomorrow if I can. When you see signs that say “shepperd puppies for sale” every six months on the street corner, you can bet one out of five of each litter will never find it’s home and there is a unhealthy bitch around. Thats probably a conservative guess. Some type of intervention in that area would not hurt, or hurt the rights of responsible owners. Sometimes a little sacrifice is needed for the better of the whole.

Okay, Dog whisperer..Lighten up..This is a fun site, and you are making it un-fun.. This site if for the love of dogs, not speculation and rhetoric..Do not bash its all mine or any others. She is a responsible and loving dog owner.

A very wise man said to mean, believe nothing of what you read, and only half of what you see.

Ok, first: No one called anyone an “elitist”. I simply stated that having your credentials at the end of each post made them much too wordy and long, which in turn tends to turn people off and make it so they don’t want to read them which would be counter – condusive to your cause. I posted NOTHING about the links you provided ( and please continue to do so as I do read them) as I think they are important to provide a valuable service for those of us who are concerned and would like to be informed.

I noticed tho, that since I made that kind and tactful suggestion that you no longer include your credentials and for that I do thank you.

Second: No one is doubting your facts, research or trying to deny your rights to believe in what you believe in. If you believed little green men are coming to your house every night then I would be the first to defend your RIGHT to believe it. I don’t have to agree or believe it too as that is MY right.

Third: I never said that I disagreed nor agreed with any of your debates, findings or what have you. I think I’ve made myself quite clear that I am finding it all extremely informative.

Fourth: Again, the name calling, the remarks such as “who made you GOD?” the accusations that people are mocking and stifling are totally uncalled for and reek of paranoid delusional behavior.

Stick with the subject at hand. Our animals, our love for them, our battles to uphold our constitutional rights.

The rest is childish.

The beauty of our country is that we have what is called “free speech”. No one here is denying anyone else’s right to that and I for one will not stand by and let that happen. Simply because someone doesnt’ agree with someone else doesn’t make anyone “wrong”.

That all being said, let’s continue with a healthy debate. Even if you get a little mad. Passion for what we truly love can go a long way to helping the issue.